| (22:21 02/07/09) vissel karel [ת"ל] Freya continueing with new boat  |
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:הנומת תפרוצמheading sw :הוולנ רושיק
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| (07:39 01/07/09) vissel karel [ת"ל] Scotland to Faroe crossing has started  |
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look at progress tab :הוולנ רושיק
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| (16:21 30/06/09) .מ ןורש ?תועורזל תוידפוטרוא תודיפר אצמ והשימ ילוא |
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tennis elbow ה תייעבב רוזעל תורומאש הלא ןורש ,הדות םיקייקה דחאב עובש ינפל יתחכש הארנכ
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| (14:32 30/06/09) ג לאכימ תולוחכ סקורק ילענ תחלקמב ואצמנ 'ג םוי לש רקוב תוליעפב |
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קוריה זגראל ורבעוה
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| (07:36 30/06/09) ד םדא [ת"ל] הזודמה תא ההז ,רקי ץחרתמ |
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הזודמה תא ההז ,רקי ץחרתמ :הוולנ רושיק
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| (16:51 29/06/09) ןבשי הזיא [ת"ל] ?הז ןבשי ךייש ימל ההזמ ימ |
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| (16:52 29/06/09) קינלוקש ירא [ת"ל] ...תושק תונומת ןכא |
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| (22:19 29/06/09) ג לאכימ ירא |
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םיקייקה ירוחאמ הרמה תמאה תאז
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (16:27 28/06/09) ןיול הנפד הקסלאמ הרזחב |
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המכב םלוכ תא ףתשל תבייח ינא הקסלאמ הרזחש הנושאר תינונסכ ריאשא ינא םיטרופמה םירואתהו תיצילמה הביתכה תא .םילימ לויט היהש ןייצא קר .םש םילייטמ ןיידעש ,רתוי םירשכומל לולסמה ,הלועמ התיה הצובקה -- ילש תויפיצה לכ תא רבעש ,םיהדמ ,איגשלו םתורל תודוהל םילימ קיפסמ ןיאו ,ויפויב םיהדמ היה לבא ,תורחאה לע הלועש תחא היווח רוחבל השק .אלפנ לויט ונגראש ,ןורחאה םויב תוארל וניכזש תוקרואה עפומ אוה ןייוצמ דמעומ
.ונתיאמ העיגנ קחרמב שממ
): הריסל רוזחל וישכע
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (22:17 29/06/09) ג לאכימ םיבשה םיכורב |
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.תוזודמ קרמל ןמזב םתעגה לבא לודגה םוחה תא םתספספ .לויטהמ םירופיסל םיכחמ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (15:02 29/06/09) קינלוקש ירא [ת"ל] םורופה תא ררועת הנומת ילוא .םולכ ארוק אל .םורופב הפ םמעשמ |
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:הנומת תפרוצמ
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| (15:04 29/06/09) קינלוקש ירא [ת"ל] םילג ונספת - ןורחאה ישיש םוי |
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:הנומת תפרוצמ
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| (13:15 29/06/09) vissel karel [ת"ל] Updates from australia new boat arrives. |
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new boaty and skin :הוולנ רושיק
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| (22:05 27/06/09) ג לאכימ יתרבעש היווח םכתא קולחל יתיצר |
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םימח םימב יתחלקתה םיירהצה רחא תבש לש תוליעפה ירחא םויה
.הנירמה לש תוחלקמב
המצע לע רוזחת היווחהש הווקמ לבא ,רמוא הז המ עדוי אל
.םלוכל בוט עובש
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| (08:56 28/06/09) הדש יבוק [ת"ל] !? םירק םימ ףידע אל הזה םוחב ..ךרעצב ףתתשמ |
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| (08:01 29/06/09) היטע-ןב יטומ ידידי לאכימ |
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....התנבה אלש יל הארנ
םימח םימ שי ץיקב
(ןנע לש לילמס ןיא רעטצמ) םירק ףרוחבו
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (10:58 29/06/09) ג לאכימ יטומ |
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.םירק םימ שי ץיקב
.םירק דאמ םימ שי ףרוחב
המח תחלקמ תושעל דמחנ ברעב 7-ב ץיקב םג ,הזמ ץוחו
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| (20:07 23/06/09) m avner תונקסמו ךוביס לויט |
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I left Maramaris to paddle 4 days all the way to Fethiye.
On June 17, chart and a compass. Not a topo or google earth map.
I entered a military area. On the deck I had only a marine But my trip was terminated at the evening while
river, led by a guide from a kayaking tours operator.
day a group of English people met at the lake of Dalyan In the same it will not be a problem to catch them up in Dalyan bay.
the group. But I was in a delay of one day. I thought that about the coasts of Turkey. She offered me to join with her long time ago while I was looking for information I was in touch under a lightening street pole. At 6.30 I was ready to go.
to the shore in maramaris. installed and loaded the kayak I woke up at 3.00 at night, took my 50kg I crossed Marmaris bay and got to its exit to sea at 7.15.
exercise. I found a place within Marmaris bay to wait.
one can get out to the sea before 13.00 due to a military a Zodiac boat came to me, and 2 soldiers told me that no But there to land, but till I get close to see it, cant be sure.
I can understand from the map where is a better chance about such location until you are close to the shore. should be sand or round stones. It is impossible to decide for my (more delicate kayak comparing to solid kayak) the night in appropriate location. The landing location in mind to paddle till 18.00 or a bit later and land for At 13.00 I left the bay into the sea. I had the next day. The sea will be even higher next morning.
the loaded kayak. Meanwhile I got a sms with forecast for was perpendicular to my location and the low profile of with water. The reason was the direction of the waves that spray skirt, a wave was breaking at me, and fill the kayak did the first meter, and didn't have time to close the to the forecast that I had. Each time when I just out, the waves and wind got more intensive comparing bay out of the military area. But when I tried to paddle to land for a short break before crossing the side of the from Marmaris where the military zone started. I decided Anyway at 4.30 I have got to place about 25km waves from breaking on the kayak while starting to paddle.
place around the corner where the wall of rocks avoid the of the bay, to turn left and to find a better protected then to paddle a short distance till the close corner down. I decided to wait till 18.00, to give up crossing. I know that usually around 18.00 the sea calm few fast strokes I got out off the breaking waves line.
to jump fast into the kayak, left the skirt open, and with at 18.00 it didn't improve much. Only at 18.30, I managed But it was in the military area that I didn't want to enter.
side of the bay. May be there was a place farther, but map, there was not even one small location to land on this night. But I found out that in spite of the info of the military bay, turn left to find protected landing for the highest was now 1 meter. I paddled to the corner of the The wind was now faster and the waves of me came 2 fishermen boats in the opposite direction.
that my route is out of the military area because in front 2 hours of light and had no choice but to cross. I knew bay, 9km away, I noticed few potential places. I had like On the other side of the it will be within the area. I was at the no return point.
is close. Now my concern was just to land, no matter if aim the boat out just caused me to loose time while dark was pushed deeper and deeper into the area. My efforts to – toward the military zone. Little by little I the wind and waves intensified both in the same direction I started to cross and and takes a lot of energy with very little achievement.
the wind and waves in front which it very difficult short a time after I stared, because it means fighting There is no way to turn back even meter above the water. I was now around 19.30 0r 20.00.
the only place with low rising round stones, about half trouble. I had no choice but to keep to bay that was I raised my paddle to show them that I am aware, but in a military ship behind operated its alarm loudspeaker. Short time before I landed and the circumstances that pushed me into the area.
Istanbul to be ready to tell them in Turkish my situation is not a serious risk. At this point I called a friend in even if they will arrest me. Just had no other choice that in the morning. But they didn't care. I decided to stay hard sea conditions, and cant do it, I shall leave early to leave back to Marmaris. I told them that it is dark, to them crossing the waves. there they told me that I have of the noise of the waves I couldn't hear them. I swim because they couldn't land now - high waves - but because a zodiac boat to me. They talked to me with a loudspeaker The military sent the navy to explain. The navy told them to evacuate me.
my coordinates. She called the coast guard. They called understood that I have a problem with the army, and got She couldn’t hear me well , but the police confiscates any boat that enters this area.
While waiting I have got a SMS saying that the kayak was bigger than the zodiac. couldn't be loaded.
me with all my equipment to the ship then to Marmaris. But a ship, sent a zodiac to me. They said that they will take Later the Coast guard came from Marmaris with the kayak is with me and they couldn't understand how.
next day they will come for the kayak. I told them that we went to the coast guard ship. They told me that on the is lost. When they came back they loaded all my things and it fast at dark, knowing that if I don't manage, the kayak my kayak and pack it in the bag. Was working to do zodiac). I was lucky because had some 10 min to uninstall towed them and they went to pump their boat (coast guard and they couldn't get back to the ship. The army boat time, the zodiac was full with water of breaking waves But in a very short They did it. At 3.00 at night I was back in the hotel.
didn't let me even to load my equipment to the baggage. suggested that they will call for me a cab. They did, and my car to sleep in my house. I was really touched. But I One of them said, we are Turkish, I shall take you with me with my 50 kg in the middle of the night in the street. they were. When I asked them if they are going to leave I took all along the incident. I must appreciate how kind fully understood the circumstances and the decisions that as he was aware of the conditions of the sea at that time, checked my equipment to see that I am not James Bond. But investigated me, asked to see the photos in my camera, The captain Conclusions are
Even if there are not such, it is a usefull knowledge.
is a valuable tool to show potential landing location. beforehand any helpful tip. Investigating Google earth all the information, just partial. One should collect that are really critical are considered not having decisions, should be taken fast "on line". decisions are not anticipated accurately. Decisions, very important In the sea conditions should be in hand specially before problematic legs.
Last minute forecast היקרוטל יאמצע לויטמ תונומתו רופיס :הוולנ רושיק
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (20:14 23/06/09) מ רנבא תרבדמ אל םורופה לש הקופדה הנכתה |
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קיבדהלו קיתעהל ךיא ןורתפ שי והשימל םא .יתחכשש החילס .תילגנא םירבח רובע תילגנאב יתבתכ .םכתצע אנא ,םורופב ילגנא טסקט לכה העדוהה ןכות לש ןולחב ילצא יתחלששכ .םגרתל יתלצעתהו לוחב .םורופל עיגהשכ קר ךפהתהו ,רדסב הארנ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (21:14 23/06/09) היטע ןב יטומ רנבא |
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ץחל "העדוהה ןכות" לש ןולחל טסקטה תא סינכמ התאש ינפל
...ילאמש ctrl+shift
דובעי הז ילוא
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (21:24 23/06/09) ג לאכימ קתרמ רופיס |
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הנירמב רובדל עירפמש יממ םיקייק םירחמ אל ונלש םיה ליחש בוט
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (23:02 23/06/09) Tomer S אדג שיב |
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ינא תאז םע דחי ךא ,המיענ אלה היווחה לע ךרעצב ףתתשמ ,רנבא
.םישק םי יאנתב תודרשיה לע ףלאמ רועישב תיכזש חוטב
םולשב תרזחש חמש ינא ,ןפוא לכב ,תויווח קולחנ תונמדזהב
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| (08:01 24/06/09) m avner Last chance .thanks to karl |
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On June 17, I left Maramaris to paddle 4 days all the way to Fethiye.
But my trip was terminated at the evening while I entered a military area
In the same day a group of English people met at the lake of Dalyan river, led by a guide from a kayaking tours operator.
I was in touch with her long time ago while I was looking for information about the coasts of Turkey. She offered me to join the group. But I was in a delay of one day. I thought that it will not be a problem to catch them up in Dalyan bay.
I woke up at 3.00 at night, took my 50kg to the shore in maramaris. installed and loaded the kayak under a lightening street pole. At 6.30 I was ready to go.
I crossed Marmaris bay and got to its exit to sea at 7.15.
But there a Zodiac boat came to me, and 2 soldiers told me that no one can get out to the sea before 13.00 due to a military exercise. I found a place within Marmaris bay to wait.
At 13.00 I left the bay into the sea. I had in mind to paddle till 18.00 or a bit later and land for the night in appropriate location. The landing location for my (more delicate kayak comparing to solid kayak) should be sand or round stones. It is impossible to decide about such location until you are close to the shore. I can understand from the map where is a better chance to land, but till I get close to see it, cant be sure.
Anyway at 4.30 I have got to place about 25km from Marmaris where the military zone started. I decided to land for a short break before crossing the side of the bay out of the military area. But when I tried to paddle out, the waves and wind got more intensive comparing to the forecast that I had. Each time when I just did the first meter, and didn't have time to close the spray skirt, a wave was breaking at me, and fill the kayak with water. The reason was the direction of the waves that was perpendicular to my location and the low profile of the loaded kayak. Meanwhile I got a sms with forecast for the next day. The sea will be even higher next morning.
I know that usually around 18.00 the sea calm down. I decided to wait till 18.00, to give up crossing. then to paddle a short distance till the close corner of the bay, to turn left and to find a better protected place around the corner where the wall of rocks avoid the waves from breaking on the kayak while starting to paddle.
But at 18.00 it didn't improve much. Only at 18.30, I managed to jump fast into the kayak, left the skirt open, and with few fast strokes I got out off the breaking waves line.
The wind was now faster and the waves highest was now 1 meter. I paddled to the corner of the military bay, turn left to find protected landing for the night. But I found out that in spite of the info of the map, there was not even one small location to land on this side of the bay. May be there was a place farther, but it was in the military area that I didn't want to enter.
On the other side of the bay, 9km away, I noticed few potential places. I had like 2 hours of light and had no choice but to cross. I knew that my route is out of the military area because in front of me came 2 fishermen boats in the opposite direction.
I started to cross and the wind and waves intensified both in the same direction – toward the military zone. Little by little I was pushed deeper and deeper into the area. My efforts to aim the boat out just caused me to loose time while dark is close. Now my concern was just to land, no matter if it will be within the area. I was at the no return point.
There is no way to turn back even short a time after I stared, because it means fighting the wind and waves in front which it very difficult and takes a lot of energy with very little achievement.
Short time before I landed a military ship behind operated its alarm loudspeaker. I raised my paddle to show them that I am aware, but in trouble. I had no choice but to keep to bay that was the only place with low rising round stones, about half meter above the water. I was now around 19.30 0r 20.00.
The military sent a zodiac boat to me. They talked to me with a loudspeaker because they couldn't land now - high waves - but because of the noise of the waves I couldn't hear them. I swim to them crossing the waves. there they told me that I have to leave back to Marmaris. I told them that it is dark, hard sea conditions, and cant do it, I shall leave early in the morning. But they didn't care. I decided to stay even if they will arrest me. Just had no other choice that is not a serious risk. At this point I called a friend in Istanbul to be ready to tell them in Turkish my situation and the circumstances that pushed me into the area.
She couldn’t hear me well , but understood that I have a problem with the army, and got my coordinates. She called the coast guard. They called the navy to explain. The navy told them to evacuate me.
While waiting I have got a SMS saying that the police confiscates any boat that enters this area.
Later the Coast guard came from Marmaris with a ship, sent a zodiac to me. They said that they will take me with all my equipment to the ship then to Marmaris. But the kayak was bigger than the zodiac. couldn't be loaded.
But in a very short time, the zodiac was full with water of breaking waves and they couldn't get back to the ship. The army boat towed them and they went to pump their boat (coast guard zodiac). I was lucky because had some 10 min to uninstall my kayak and pack it in the bag. Was working to do it fast at dark, knowing that if I don't manage, the kayak is lost. When they came back they loaded all my things and we went to the coast guard ship. They told me that on the next day they will come for the kayak. I told them that the kayak is with me and they couldn't understand how.
The captain investigated me, asked to see the photos in my camera, checked my equipment to see that I am not James Bond. But as he was aware of the conditions of the sea at that time, fully understood the circumstances and the decisions that I took all along the incident. I must appreciate how kind they were. When I asked them if they are going to leave me with my 50 kg in the middle of the night in the street. One of them said, we are Turkish, I shall take you with my car to sleep in my house. I was really touched. But I suggested that they will call for me a cab. They did, and didn't let me even to load my equipment to the baggage. They did it. At 3.00 at night I was back in the hotel.
Conclusions are
In the sea conditions are not anticipated accurately. Decisions, very important decisions, should be taken fast "on line". decisions that are really critical are considered not having all the information, just partial. One should collect beforehand any helpful tip. Investigating Google earth is a valuable tool to show potential landing location. Even if there are not such, it is a usefull knowledge.
Last minute forecast should be in hand specially before problematic legs.
:הנומת תפרוצמTurkey - June 2009 :הוולנ רושיק
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| (10:55 24/06/09) vissel karel [ת"ל] much easier to read  |
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| (16:23 24/06/09) היטע-ןב יטומ םיהדמ רופיס |
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!!!םיהדמ רופיס טושפ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (22:56 23/06/09) מ רנבא תגצמה ףוסב עיפומ רופיסה |
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םיפדה תששב רוזאה לש הפמהו רופיסה תא יתפסוה ןינועמש ימל קטייה תיעבל רגנ לש ןורתפ.הסקיפה תגצמ לש םינורחאה היקרוטב עסמ רופיס :הוולנ רושיק
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| (20:04 24/06/09) גרבסלג יבא [ת"ל] ..םיהמ םולשב תאציש בוט...םיה ליחמ ךתוא בוזעת |
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| (12:17 25/06/09) הדש יבוק ....וליא הרוק היה המ ןיינעמ |
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תוזח לעבו תירבע רבוד וניאש טסיקאיק וליא הרוק היה המ ןיינעמ לילב תחונ היה רנבא לש ומכ (רתוימה תא קוחמ) המישרמ/הדישחמ םוקי םשה/ומחרי לאה ? תילתעב םיה ליח סיסב דילש רצבמב הרעס
... (רתוימ אל רבד םוש - קוחמל ךירצ אל) ומד
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (09:10 28/06/09) m avner [ת"ל] הרוק היהש המ הז |
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ילהצ חטש תוריהז :הוולנ רושיק
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| (10:12 28/06/09) הדש יבוק [ת"ל] ! בוטב תיסחי רמגנ ! הלאוו |
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רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (01:05 29/06/09) עלס םרוי .יתעידי בטימ יפל |
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למסה תא ריעהש ךכ לע טפשנ היה תרחמלו ,םימעפ ריהזמ היה רמושה .ןרות
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (11:48 23/06/09) םר ןונמא הריכמל לפקתמ קאיק-הנורחא תונמדזה |
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טפרקרדפ קאיק .רזוח אלו הינמרגל ץיקב יתיא עסונ אוהש ינפל תחא םעפ הסונו בכרוה 2007 לדומ ,בוהצ ןופיס ןשידפקא 1-ק .ח"ש 18,000 :שקובמ ריחמ . דבלב
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (07:13 23/06/09) vissel karel [ת"ל] Seas going up,kayakers gliding down  |
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:הנומת תפרוצמ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (13:46 17/06/09) רגניז רמוע היגורונמ הרזחב |
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עובשב ןדריב הרצק הגיגח התיהש יתעמש םגו םיבוט םילג יתדספה זא
.יתלבס אל ,גואדל אל לבא.... ומרזש חודיק ימ םע רבעש יתכרדה ךכ רחאו םידרויפב תצק יתליט .המיהדמה היגורונמ יתרזח לודג קוניזב םיקאיקה טרופס םש םג .הידווש לובג לע ןויזופמיסב
.המידק
םימ הברה ךכ לכ םהל שיו ןיאו םידרויפב םיטקש םימ ףוס ןיא ,WW ל םימיהדמ תורהנ ףוס ןיא
P-: םייא ףוס ןיא םע רגתאמו חותפ םי ףוס ....יביב תא םהל ןיא םגו סומוח םהל ןיא...ונ בוט
:הנומת תפרוצמ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (13:49 17/06/09) רגניז רמוע [ת"ל] ףסונ ןויסנ |
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:הנומת תפרוצמ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (13:52 17/06/09) רגניז רמוע [ת"ל] הלעמלמ טבמ |
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רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (15:23 17/06/09) היטע-ןב יטומ הפ לומ םש |
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חרק שי םש
...העיז הפ
לגלגתהל זיעמ אל דחא ףא םש
...(בשחנ אל בויב) ונתוא רוצעיש ימ ןיא הפ
םיליעמ שי םש
...תויפוג םומיסקמ הפ
תוינידנולב קר םש
....דיל אבה לכמ שי הפ
?ףידע הפיא זא
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (16:59 17/06/09) רגניז רמוע .....םילוגלגה יבגל |
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תוינידנולב יבגל םידמולמה ךירבד תא רותסתש הנומת דוע יל שי
םיליעמו
.םלועה לכב המוד יד םיטסיקאיקה םע רבד לש ופוסב לבא
:הנומת תפרוצמ
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (18:14 20/06/09) singer omer יטומ |
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ילבו ןוכנ ,עוגר ,םיסקמ שממ היה ינמורב טושמ ילב ךלש לוגליגה
.רתוימ חוכ
.היגורונמ ידנלנירגה קאיקב הדנולבה ומכ קוידב
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (14:54 22/06/09) היטע-ןב יטומ רמוע |
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םע השיגפ יל ןגראל ךירצ התא ןודעומה לש וילעבכש בשוח ינא
...תיגוורונה
,םידנלנירג םילוגלג לע רבדל לכונ הככ
תוכומנו תוהובג תוכימת תורחא תויחו
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (15:54 22/06/09) singer omer יריקי יטומ |
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לש האלכה אוהש...הלש רבחה םע השיגפ ךל ןגראל לוכי םומיסקמ ינא
רטמ ינש הבוגב יגוורונ גניקיוו לורט
רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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| (23:16 22/06/09) היטע ןב יטומ [ת"ל] P-: ךומסל ימ לע שיש יתעדי דימת |
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רשק רוצ העדוה ספדה רבחל חלש הבוגת :תויורשפא |
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